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Belated images from a Submariner Qualification and Promotion Ceremony held in the Submarine Training & Systems Centre, HMAS Stirling, earlier in the year.
Note that this event occurred prior to the current (June 2021) COVID - 19 restrictions and lockdown in Western Australia.
Hi I have this photo of the HMAS WALLER It is framed and as you can see it was Presented to Tony McGrath
If you are interested in wanting this let me know I am in Fremantle
(My Name is Valerie :) NB I have her email address
Found this one in the Port Phillip Papers which is promulgated Monthly by Mike Bennett:
We Are Veterans.
Many of us left home as teenagers to join HM Forces, some of us as young as 15, for an unknown adventure.
We loved our country enough to defend it and protect it with our own lives.
We said goodbye to friends and family and everything we knew.
We learned the basics and then we scattered in the wind to the far corners of the Earth.
We found new friends and a new family.
We became brothers and sisters regardless of colour, race, or creed.
We had plenty of good times, and plenty of bad times.
We didn’t get enough sleep.
We smoked and drank too much.
We picked up both good and bad habits.
We worked hard and played harder.
We didn’t earn a great wage.
We experienced the happiness of mail call and the sadness of missing important events.
We didn’t know when, or even if, we were ever going to see home again.
We grew up fast, and yet somehow, we never grew up at all.
We fought for our freedom, as well as the freedom of others.
Some of us saw actual combat, and some of us didn’t.
Some of us saw the world, and some of us didn’t.
Some of us dealt with physical warfare, most of us dealt with psychological warfare.
We have seen and experienced and dealt with things that we can’t fully describe or explain, as not all our sacrifices were physical.
We participated in time-honoured ceremonies and rituals with each other, strengthening our bonds and camaraderie.
We counted on each other to get our job done and sometimes to survive it at all.
We have dealt with victory and tragedy.
We have celebrated and mourned.
We lost a few along the way.
When our adventure was over, some of us went back home, some of us started somewhere new and some of us never came
home at all.
We have told amazing and hilarious stories of our exploits and adventures.
We share an unspoken bond with each other, that most people don’t experience, and few will understand.
We speak highly of our own branch of service and poke fun at the other branches.
We know, however, that, if needed, we will be there for our brothers and sisters and stand together as one, in a heartbeat.
Being a veteran is something that had to be earned, and it can never be taken away.
It has no monetary value, but at the same time, it is a priceless gift.
People see a veteran and they should thank them for their service.
When we see each other, we give that little upwards head nod, or a slight smile, knowing that we have shared and experienced
Things that most people have not.
So, from myself to the rest of my fellow veterans out there, I commend and thank you for all that you have done and sacrificed
for your country.
Try to remember the good times and grow from the bad times. Share your stories and spin your Dits.
But most importantly, stand tall and proud, for you have earned the right to be called a Veteran.
For my non-military friends out there, this may or may not have helped you understand those of us that served in the Armed Forces,
and if has not managed to please stop and have a chat with one of us and I am sure you will then understand.
But most importantly remember all those Veterans on their Eternal Patrol.
Air Force obstacle course
I promised I would get this one in for a man who has served his country for near on fifty years. An asset not only to the Navy but his efforts with the Submarine Walk and Wall was a magnificent and noble feat and he (in my opinion) deserves more recognition. Congratulations Duck Run, you truly are a champion.
All good mate .I begin my 49th year next week and only 2 more years left. Not sure how many submariners will do 51 years.
On Sun, 27 Jun 2021, 8:52 PM coxswain submarinesaustralia.com <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
Don good evening. Wires got crossed with Tim and I and your presentation photos were to be inserted after the Submarine Walk inclusion of the Grot. Will be rectified next edition. My Stuff up but congratulations on a long and distinguished career and many more to come.
Here it is (finally)
Duckrun Passes 50
On 27 May, Don (Duckrun) Currell was presented with his second Federation star acknowledging 45 years of service the RAN. Unfortunately Chief of Navy (VADM Michael Noonan) was unable to make the presentation himself but did offer a note of personal congratulations.
Making the presentation on behalf of Chief of Navy was CMDR Phillipa Hay, CSC – Commanding Officer of HMAS MORETON. “Don has served the nation with distinction over more than four decades”, remarked CMDR Hay during the presentation ceremony at the Defence Force Recruiting Centre, Maroochydore where CPO Currell continues to inspire the next generation of recruits. Duckrun was joined by friends, colleagues and his wife Wendy and son Scott for the ceremony. SAA Qld member and serving member of Fleet Battle Staff – CMDR Andy Clowes was also present for the ceremony. The second Federation Star is a remarkable achievement and one that few in the RAN will achieve.
(l-r) – CMDR Phillipa Hay, CSC RAN, CPO Don Currell, OAM, CMDR Andy Clowes, RAN
(l-r) – CMDR Andy Clowes, RAN, CPO Don Currell, OAM, former submariner and now Master Mariner – Peter Jensen (who joined submarines with Don in 1975)
“On July 1, the Novosibirsk submarine went to the White Sea for shipbuilders sea trials for the first time,” the source said.
The press office of the Sevmash Shipyard refused to comment on the information provided by the source.
Earlier, Head of the Sevmash Shipyard Mikhail Budnichenko told TASS that after the shipbuilders sea trials the submarine would begin state tests. It is planned to be delivered to the Navy at the end of 2021.
Naval News comments
Sevmash is building four SSGN of project 885M — the Krasnoyarsk, the Arkhangelsk, the Perm and the Ulyanovsk. In 2019, a contract for another two submarines was signed. They are to be laid on May 9, 2020.
Sevmash Shipyard launched the Novosibirsk K-573 first serial SSGN of Yasen-M-class project 885M on December 25, 2019.
Fourth-generation SSGN of project 885 and 885M have a displacement of 13800 tons. They can submerge to 600 meters and develop underwater speed of 30 knots. The light hull covers only a part of the solid hull in the bow to decrease the signature. For the first time the torpedo launchers are located behind the central compartment instead of the bow. The submarines are armed with Onix and Kalibr missiles, as well as torpedoes.
Hi Tim and Greg,
Sorry that I have been off air of recently but the computer had a major hiccup and had to be taken out and put out of its misery. I am now back on line and trying to make headway with the changes and updates, but as a good submariner I'll get through my Part Three and have it sorted out.
The two photos were taken in Sydney in 1945 with HMS Bonaventure moored at the dolphins at Admiralty House, I believe this all happened before she left for the Far East to allow her charges the XE-craft to do their nefarious attacks on the Japanese.
The first photo of the ship is taken at the Dolphins at Admiralty House in 1945. Prior to her trip to the Far East to harry the Japs.
The second photo shows one of her charges in the water while another can be seen it its cradle on the ship.
HMS Bonaventure was the mercantile ex-Clan Davidson of the Clan Line cargo vessel of 5,450 tons, under construction by Greenock DY Co in 1942, she was requisitioned on 27.10.1942 and converted by Scots as a depot ship for X-craft submarines and was given the pendant number F.139. Her armament: 2-4in/45 HA (1x2) ; 12- 20mm HA (4x2 + 4x1).
Her war service was as Depot Ship for X-craft, 1942-44 in Loch Cairnbawn; in February 1945 left the Clyde for the Far East with six XE-craft of the 14th Flotilla carried on deck. After the war she returned to Britain and was later put on the Disposal List and In 1948 was sold to the Clan Line and after conversion back to mercantile as Clan Davidson and deployed in trade until sold in 1963 for demolition. She was sent to Hong Kong where she was scrapped starting on 25 December 1963.
Smudge AKA Peter Smith.
Devonport Naval Dockyard, England
9 September 1915
25 March 1919
12 July 1922
Dimensions & Displacement
1820 tons (submerged)
1210 tons (surfaced)
275 feet 8 inches
23 feet 1 1/8 inches
9.5 knots (submerged)
19.5 knots (surfaced)
4000 miles at 12 knots
5 officers, 40 sailors
Surfaced - 3 x 12 cylinder diesel engines
Submerged - 2 x battery driven electric motors
1 x 4-inch gun
6 x 18-inch torpedo tubes - 4 bow, 2 beam
Towards the end of 1914, early in World War I, disturbing rumours began to circulate that the newest German submarines were capable of a much higher surface speed than British boats, one report giving their speed at about 22 knots. The rumours were sufficiently strong to force serious consideration of the matter by the Admiralty, and at the same time consideration was given to the idea that submarines should have a high enough surface speed to be able to work with the fleet. The reports concerning the speed of the German submarines proved to be spurious, but the idea of a British submarine with a high surface speed gained ground. The immediate result of this concern was the development of the J Class, which were unique with their three shafts. Originally eight boats were planned but this was reduced to six and then increased to seven. As a result of these changes the boats originally intended to be J7 and J8 were renumbered in April 1915 as J3 and J4 respectively.
HMS J5 commissioned in the Royal Navy on 6 May 1916 under the command of Commander CP Talbot RN and was allocated to the 11th Submarine Flotilla based at Blyth, Northumberland. J5 sailed from Devonport on 5 June 1916 having carried out initial trials locally, had two steering breakdowns en route to Portsmouth, spent two weeks in Portsmouth for more trials and finally arrived in Blyth on 24 June. There were more days of workup and modification before sailing for a patrol off the Dogger Bank on 10 July. During this patrol she had great trouble with depth keeping and on one occasion hit the bottom at 140 feet. On return she was docked at Wallsend-on-Tyne. Leaving dock on 31 July she was in collision with HMS Vixen and had to be redocked at Blyth for repairs to the stem and bow shutters to No. 1 tube.
On 18 August 1916 a German signal was intercepted which made it clear that the German High Seas Fleet would be putting to sea that night. Again the several submarine flotillas were involved in the British counter measures. By midnight 26 submarines were on the move including J1, J3, J5 and J6 sent to patrol areas off the Tyne. In the event only E23 saw anything of the Germans. Conditions in the J Class were understandably cramped as can be seen in the above imagery.
Before the end of 1916 J5 was in dock on three more occasions. During the last, in October, she had the forward hydroplanes enlarged and a telescopic signal mast was fitted. During the latter half of the year Commander EC Boyle VC, RN assumed command of the submarine.
On 13 March 1917 while on the surface in position 56°10´N, 05°55´E, J5 sighted an enemy submarine also on the surface. J5 dived but no attack was made. On 18 May in the same year a small vessel, possibly a submarine, opened fire on J5 from about 600 yards on the port quarter. All the shots fell short though changed in deflection from aft to forward. At the time J5 was silhouetted against a clear horizon which still retained some light from the setting sun while the enemy could not be seen. J5 dived, during which operation the hydroplanes jammed with a 10 degree rise. On the following day while on the surface J5 sighted an enemy submarine also on the surface. Before attack could be made the enemy dived and although J5 altered course towards her nothing more was seen of her.
In June 1917 it was decided to conduct a large scale operation using both destroyers and submarines to flush out enemy submarines either leaving for patrol or returning to their bases from the Atlantic. Known as Operation BB, it was planned to force enemy submarines to dive through certain areas heavily patrolled by destroyers so that they would be on the surface while passing through adjacent areas patrolled by British submarines. The British submarines employed included J1, J2, J4 and J5. During the ten days, 15 to 24 June, 19 German submarines passed in or out of the North Sea; 12 homeward bound and seven outward bound. There were 26 sightings and 11 attacks made, eight by destroyers and three by submarines. J5 sailed from Blyth on 18 June to take part in the operation. At 03:12 on 25 June while surfaced, J5 sighted the conning tower of an enemy submarine about 6000 yards distant on the port bow. She dived to attack but at 04:00 surfaced and gave chase at full speed. Four torpedoes were fired all of which missed. At 05:00 the enemy opened fire with a gun whereupon J5 dived.
On 9 July J5 was submerged with moderate visibility, strong winds and rough seas prevailing above. Through her periscope she sighted an enemy submarine on her port beam. Two torpedoes were fired at about 2000 yards range which Commander Boyle recorded in his log as having missed. The intended victim, U-86, however, reported torpedo hit the fore part of the ship but did not explode.
Between 28 July and 21 August 1917, enemy submarines were sighted on three occasions; 28 July, 4 August and 21 August. On 4 August four torpedoes were fired at the enemy from a range of 1500 yards but all appeared to miss. On 21 August the enemy submarine opened fire and as the shots immediately fell close to J5 she dived and broke off the action.
The submarine was in dockyard hands at Newcastle from 9 January to 26 March 1918.
While on the surface on 9 April 1918, J5 sighted a large force of ships which appeared to include six battleships or battlecruisers, three light cruisers and ten destroyers. They were recognised as 'friendly' and the appropriate recognition signals were displayed. Nevertheless one destroyer closed rapidly and fired three rounds which fell 50 yards astern before identities were exchanged.
On 26 May 1918 when in position 56°01´N, 06°E, and while proceeding on the surface in a south westerly direction at 15 knots, J5 sighted a submarine conning tower to the south. Course was altered towards the other boat, speed was increased and the gun was manned. On closing to 8000 yards the target was identified as the enemy and fire was opened. After firing eight rounds, two of which may have been hits, the gun jammed and the submarine dived. She had been running with ventilators open, however, and these were not shut on diving. Surfacing again with a large bow up angle and only 500 yards from the U-boat she was quite unmanageable. There was an estimated 40 tons of water in the engine room, chlorine was being given off from the batteries and a calcium flare had been triggered off. Luckily the U-boat made off after firing a few more desultory and inaccurate rounds, perhaps also damaged. On return to Blyth the damaged battery cells had to be replaced and J5 was not ready for sea again until 10 June.
On 11 June and again on 12 July, J5 was forced to dive due to the presence of a Zeppelin in her area. Gun action stations were ordered on 12 June but before fire the target was identified as the submarine HMS E44.
The last submarine to be sighted by J5 during the war was at 07:00 on 30 September 1918 while dived in position 57°28´N, 06°01´E. Four torpedoes were fired but although they appeared to run correctly the enemy was probably out of range.
Lieutenant E Starling RN assumed command during October 1918 and J5 returned from her last war patrol to Blyth on 6 November.
Following the conclusion of hostilities in World War I, the Admiralty in 1918 presented the six remaining boats of the J Class to the Australian Government - J6 had been sunk in error in 1918 by a British ship. All the submarines commissioned into the Royal Australian Navy at Portsmouth on 25 March 1919, as tenders to the submarine depot ship HMAS Platypus, J7 being the senior boat. The Commanding Officer of J5 was Lieutenant John JA Peirson DSO, RN. (L-R) Lieutenant CC Alexander, (Commanding Officer) Lieutenant JA Peirson, DSO, and Lieutenant S Sims RANR in J5's Wardroom. 'The Mother and her deadly chicks. HMAS Platypus and Subs J1,2,4,5.'
The beam tubes were removed from all six J Class submarines before they sailed for Australia. The tubes were despatched separately to Garden Island. The reasons given for the removal were that the beam tubes were not a success and that increased accommodation was required.
On 9 April 1919 Platypus and the submarines, escorted by the light cruiser HMAS Sydney, sailed from Portsmouth for Australia, their first two ports of call being Gibraltar and Valetta.
On the night of 28 April, the night before the vessels arrived at Port Said, J3's starboard main engine shaft snapped. Thus handicapped she could not keep up with the others and consequently on departure for Aden on 30 April, J3 was in tow of Sydney.
The vessels arrived at Aden on 5 May. On the same day the light cruiser HMAS Brisbane, which had left Portsmouth on 17 April, also arrived. On 7 May all the vessels sailed for Colombo. Brisbane took over the tow of J3 while Sydney took J5 in tow as that boat had also developed engine trouble. Three days after arrival at Colombo on 15 May, Brisbane sailed with J5 in tow. From Singapore they sailed for Thursday Island, which Brisbane and J5 reached on 14 June. After calls at Townsville and Brisbane they arrived in Sydney on 27 June. J5 was the first boat of the flotilla to reach Australia. J3 was taken in hand at Colombo for repairs. On 31 May Sydney, J1, J2, J4 and J7 sailed for Singapore, followed on 2 June by Platypus and J3. The vessels were reunited at Singapore from where all except Sydney sailed on 18 June. Sydney sailed for Australia a few days later but did not rejoin the other vessels. On 29 June Platypus and the five submarines arrived at Thursday Island, although J7 was three hours late because of trouble with her engine lubricating system. The last call before Sydney was Brisbane, Sydney being reached on 15 July.
Having arrived in poor condition, the submarines were taken in hand at Garden Island Dockyard for refitting. After her refit was completed J5, in company with J2, sailed on 3 May 1920 for the submarine base at Geelong, Victoria. J5 in dry dock following her arrival in Australia. In spite of a major refit the J class boats were never used to their full potential while in Australian service. J5 on completion of her refit. Note the 4-inch gun mounted at the forward end of the submarine's conning tower. (Allan C Green, State Library of Victoria)
After uneventful service, little of which was spent at sea, J5 and her five sisters paid off into Reserve at Westernport on 12 July 1922. The boats had become victims of the worsening economic conditions of the time, coupled with their high cost of maintenance. J5 crew outside Osborne House, circa 1920.
On 26 February 1924 J5 was sold to the Melbourne Salvage Syndicate. The hull was sunk three miles off Barwon Heads on 4 June 1926. J5 awaiting disposal at Swan Island, Victoria. Further reading
'Safe to Dive: Submarines at Cockatoo Island, 1914-1991' by John C Jeremy - published by Australian Government: Sydney Harbour Federation Trust, 2005.
'Australian submarines: A History' by Michael WD White - published by AGPS Press, 1992.
TERRORISTSET FREE &GIVEN A CAR
What in the world is going on?
Releasing a terrorist and giving him money and a car - what next?
Dear SAA members and Friends,
There has been a lot of contact lately with members asking if SUBCON21 is still going ahead considering the current COVID outbreak.
As previously advised the SUBCON21 organising committee is monitoring the ever changing National COVID situation. As we are not required to make any non-refundable financial commitments until Sep/Oct, we have decided to continue with our plan to proceed. We understand members’ concerns about travel and border closures and if the situation has not improved by the first week of August we will meet to make a definitive go/no go decision. There are many factors to consider and the final decision will be well considered. We appreciate your patience and we are hoping for the best outcome. Also, we will not request payment until it is clear that SUBCON21 will be held.
Secretaries please pass on to members/No6 for the grot.
SAA ACT Branch Secretary
Another one from Don Currell
ALL NAVY REUNION 2021 CANCELED
Sunshine Coast All Navy Reunion Enthusiast
It is with sincere disappointment that due to circumstances out of our control that the All Navy Reunion scheduled for October 2021 in Maroochydore has been cancelled.
As you are all aware, the current challenging times as a result of the COVID environment makes it difficult to plan such events without significant risk.
Whilst the logistical and financial strains in the current environment are a challenge in themselves, the health and wellbeing of all of our attendees are at the forefront of our planning.
Those that have already paid, a full refund will be returned in the coming days.
Again, although disappointed, we believe, after much deliberation and engagement with relevant stakeholders, including attendees, this is the right decision.
We will look to pencil in a reunion for October 2022 if the environment is conducive, with updates to be posted on Facebook and our website.
Thank you for your understanding, and please do not hesitate to contact myself or Mark for further discussion.
You got to hand it to the RN ers
LOVE THEIR PLAY ON WORDS
In the UK, some supermarkets have admitted that there is horse meat in their home cooked burgers.
Even places like Burger King have had to admit that there are "small amounts" of horse meat in their burgers.
Tesco is a big supermarket chain in the UK.
Within hours of the news that Tesco's 'all beef hamburgers' contained 30% horse meat, the following quips hit the Internet
I'm so hungry, I could eat a horse. I guess Tesco just listened!
Anyone want a burger from Tesco? Yay or neigh?
Not entirely sure how Tesco is going to get over this hurdle.
Had some burgers from Tesco for supper last night I still have a bit between my teeth.
A woman has been taken into hospital after eating horse meat burgers from Tesco. Her condition is listed as stable.
Tesco are now testing all their vegetarian burgers for traces of unicorn.
"I've just checked the Tesco burgers in my freezer ... "AND THEY'RE OFF!"
Tesco is now forced to deny the presence of zebra in burgers, as shoppers confuse barcodes for serving suggestions.
I said to my spouse, "These Tesco burgers give me the trots...
"To beef or not to beef, that is equestrian"....
A cow walks into a bar. Barman says, "Why the long face? Cow says "Illegal ingredients are coming over here stealing our jobs!"
I hear the smaller version of those Tesco burgers make great horse d'oeuvres.
These Tesco burger jokes are going on a bit. Talk about flogging a dead horse.
Since they're selling the meat wrapped in plastic, is that technically a "Trojan Horse?"
Instead of choosing "rare, medium or well done, it's now Win, Place or Show”
At first, I thought, "Oh great, I've been saddled with another email to forward, but something spurred me to do it.
Latest update on Snowy Ross, is that his Brother has his ashes in Lauriton and awaiting restrictions to be lifted with this poxy COVID so his Sisters can attend his internment next to his Wife Coral near Caboolture QLD.
AROUND THE TRAPS
From our National Vice Pres
while TV has Breaking News...The People's Broadcaster, initials PB, brings you FIXING NEWS
and for that we are forever grateful:
a day of pumping and patching.
We are still at zero, but need to keep pumping to stay ahead of the leaks.
Numerous failure are becoming apparent, including for example, the sea tube connecting D Stbd to the sea through 4 MBT which has failed and allowing water to flood back into 4 stbd MBT - the grills are now plugged with putty.
The SM remains in a precarious state, with weather marginal tomorrow through to Monday am.
There will be watch keepers onboard overnight to run the pumps.
The move to a shallow water berth is the next priority.
Some shots to illustrate the problem.
AUTHORS NOTE: That was forwarded last Friday. As many of you have been following this saga what looked like a promising and final outcome for the old girl appears to have gone to custard. Max Bryant so called Custodian over the boat is causing all sorts of issues WRT to the plan for her and now calling on his subordinates to start rattling chains and pleading for funds from the Submarine Community. Ken Greenwood OAM sent me this little gem last Sunday:
6, pod cast Macca ABC RADIO 0925
This so called submariner (Lower case on purpose) reaching out to all the Submarine Community to assist in donations for the upkeep of the vessel and volunteers to assist with her upkeep. Sorry chopper using a crane to lift a 3000 ton plus boat out of the water will not work. Suggest you return to the village that is deprived of an idiot.
I have heard nothing from Peter Briggs this week but Dave Strangward will release an ASAS once the dust settles.
The Harbor Master (who I have a great rapport with) tells me that it is not looking good and Port Of Hastings directive to Max Bryant has been ignored.
. . . I like the bit that says “the vessel will be turned over to veterans . . . . . “
Maybe our National President should respond to this? The man is a charlatan, fraudster, con artist.
He had all the advice from a Submariner Admiral, and a Marine Architect who was also an Engineering Officer Submariner . . . and he ignored them – also had offers of maintenance and upkeep, along with berths at Williamstown and Geelong along with other offers, that he says nothing about.
Thommo, I hope I am not one of the people who it is requested to assist him further his escapades.??
I will not, neither will any ‘veteran submariner’ in Victoria – not if I can have anything to do with it. What he has done to Otama is obscene – and he is now saying it was storm damage.
I have kept this email to just yourselves gents.
Keith J. Hatfield
President SAA (Vic. Inc.)
WEAR THEM WITH PRIDE
What more can I say SOS (bugger me it has a new meaning SAVE OUR STUPIDITY)
Russia has unveiled what's believed to be its largest submarine built in 30 years amid a tense standoff with Britain in the Black Sea.
The Belgorod sailed for the first time today, just days after the Russian military assets fired warning shots at a British Royal Navy destroyer after it came too close to what Moscow has claimed is its territorial waters near Crimea last week.