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Welcome to the Coxswain's Grot - Issue 103.

Fellow Submariners, welcome to our next edition. I believe it to be a good read, informative and amusing.


A belated Happy Birthday to Frank Owen (SIA Secretary) and many more.

Submarine Institute of Australia
Nuclear Seminar Postponed - Watch for new date
Submarine Institute of Australia - 19 July 2021
The conversation about the link between nuclear submarines and domestic power generation has been postponed as a result of COVID-related restrictions. The seminar will still go ahead but a new date has to be finalised.
Early Bird Discounts for SubSTEC6 finish on 31 July
Submarine Institute of Australia - 19 July 2021
Take advantage of Early Bird discounts for the 6th SIA Submarine Science, Technology & Engineering Conference (SubSTEC6) to be held in Adelaide 8-10 November 21. Your ticket is safe if COVID gets in the way. Register now and save 10%!
Free Webinar - Submarine Disaster and Survival - 20.00 -21.00 28 July 2021
Submarine Institute of Australia - 19 July 2021
Sponsored by the SIA and the Friends of Holbrook Submarine Museum, this Webinar will focus on escape techniques, survival possibilities, recovery techniques and improvements made in these areas over the years. Register now.
Free Webinar - Submarine Disaster and Survival - 20.00 -21.00 28 July 2021
Submarine Institute of Australia - 11 July 2021
Sponsored by the Submarine Institute of Australia and the Friends of Holbrook Submarine Museum, the Webinar will focus on escape techniques, survival possibilities, recovery techniques and improvements made in these areas over the years. Attached flyer gives information on the presenters and details for registration for those interested in attending.
Submarine News
ASPI’s decades: Defence dollars, ‘extreme ironing’ and ‘extreme analysis’
The Strategist - 19 July 2021
ASPI celebrates its 20th anniversary this year. This series looks at ASPI’s work since its creation in August 2001. ‘Strategy without ...
cover. Among the cover greatest hits: a cartoon of a submarine firing two torpedoes rendered as barrels loaded with cash, with the words ‘
Naval Group's Attack-class submarines are an impossible ambition
The Canberra Times (Licensed by Copyright Agency) - 19 July 2021
An artist's impression of Naval Group's Attack-class conventionally powered submarine. Picture: Supplied The ...
The sudden cancellation of a high-level seminar about Australia's future submarine program ($90 billion and counting) barely seems to rate
Only nuclear-powered submarines can meet our future needs
The Australian - 17 July 2021
The submarine is arguably the ultimate weapon of choice of the weaker power, but on the $90bn Attack program, Australia must change course now to acquire vessels that will be fit for purpose.
The submarine is arguably the ultimate weapon of choice of the weaker power, but on the $90bn Attack program, Australia must change course now to acquire vessels that will be fit for purpose.
U.S. Navy Submarine Force Announces Submarine Readiness Squadrons, Formerly Naval Submarin - 16 July 2021
NORFOLK, Va. - Naval Submarine Support Centers (NAVSUBSUPPCEN) Groton, Connecticut; Kings Bay, Georgia; Bangor, Washington; and Pearl ...
and employ submarines now and in the future. "The name change more accurately reflects our mission to ensure submarine readiness is
OPINION | Managing risk in the submarine transition: the latest on the Collins life-of-type extension - Baird Maritime
Baird Maritime - 15 July 2021
The Royal Australian Navy is in the early stages of a long transition that is notable for its strategic risk. Both its core surface and ...
U.S. Navy’s Virginia Class Submarines To Get 76% More Firepower
Naval News - 15 July 2021
Quantity has a quality all of its own. And when the quality relates to U.S. Navy missiles, having more of them is inevitably a massive ...
The Virginia Class submarine is already heavily armed. Each boat can carry up to 37 torpedo-sized weapons, such as Tomahawk cruise missiles.
Navy kicks off long-anticipated push to replace Canada's beleaguered submarine fleet - 14 July 2021
decision-making at some future point regarding a replacement class of submarines and the avoidance of a gap in submarine capability, the CAF
Indian Navy and the impending issue of AIP import for Project 75 (I) subs
The Financial Express - 14 July 2021
The DRDO’s Fuel cell-based AIP, which uses hydrogen and oxygen to generate electricity on board and has almost no moving parts, produces ...
With the Chinese presence growing in the Indian Ocean Region, the AIP on the Indian submarines is needed on an urgent basis.
Submarine spotted by fisherman off Queensland coast in 'amazing' encounter
ABC News - 14 July 2021
A Queensland fisherman has been left 'amazed' after seeing a giant submarine just metres from his charter boat, as the Australian Defence ...
Coral Sea on Friday. HMAS Collins was the first of six Collins Class submarines to enter service in the Royal Australian Navy and is based
New ocean barge to support construction of US Navy submarines - Baird Maritime
Baird Maritime - 14 July 2021
Bollinger Shipyards in Louisiana recently christened a new ocean transport barge ordered by Connecticut-based shipyard General Dynamics ...
maintenance of the US Navy’s Columbia-class and Virginia-class nuclear-powered submarines.The concept and contract design for the 400- by
USS Thresher’s Crew May Have Survived Many Hours After Its Disappearance According To New Docs
The Drive - 14 July 2021
Declassified reports from one of the submarines that were looking for the Thresher suggest some of its crew may have survived the initial ...
sonar from the Thresher, indicating that there were not only survivors aboard the submarine, but that it still had enough power reserves to
Attack subs delay works against WA
Business News (Licensed by Copyright Agency) - 13 July 2021
Scheduling issues with Australia’s next generation of subs poses a regional security risk ...
fleet in 2054. It is estimated that the future submarines will not outnumber the dated Collins class in Australia’s fleet until 2042. This
ASPI’s decades: Building submarines and warships
The Strategist - 12 July 2021
ASPI celebrates its 20th anniversary this year. This series looks at ASPI’s work since its creation in August 2001. Australian naval ...
dollars being fed the boat made it ‘the very hungry future submarine’ . Submarines: your questions answered , published in November 2020
Taiwan can buy salvage vessel from the US Navy
Taipei Times - 12 July 2021
The US House of Representatives Committee on Appropriations on Tuesday last week released a defense funding bill that would secure US$915 ...
. Proficiency in submarine rescue requires at least three years of training: In 2015, Russia adopted the deep-water Submarine Rescue Diving
Peninsula maritime museum project sunk if ex HMAS Otama is lost
Herald Sun (Licensed by Copyright Agency) - 11 July 2021
A passionate group of Mornington Peninsula volunteers fear the days are numbered for a beloved silent killer of ...
Max Bryant said the group was told on Monday night that the submarine no longer met safety requirements. “Parks Victoria want us to sign her
Subsurface Confinement: Evidence from Submariners of the Benefits of Mindfulness
Springer - 11 July 2021
Abstract Objectives The subsurface ballistic missile nuclear submarine (SSBN) is an extreme professional environment in which personnel are ...
models and impacts of the mission for submariners Full size image Limitations and Future Research Direction The present study has important
German yard hands over Egyptian Navy's fourth Type 209 submarine - Baird Maritime
Baird Maritime - 9 July 2021
German shipbuilder ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) has handed over the fourth and final Type 209 diesel-electric submarine slated for ...
over the fourth and final Type 209 diesel-electric submarine slated for the Egyptian Navy.The future S-44 will join its sister vessels in
Chinese drone subs can choose their own targets
The Australian - 9 July 2021
Details of China’s field tests of unmanned submarines have been published in an academic journal. Picture: Harbin Engineering University ...
Details of China’s field tests of unmanned submarines have been published in an academic journal. Picture: Harbin Engineering University ...
The best form of defence? • Hamish McDonald
Inside Story - 9 July 2021
Being an effective defence minister will require much more than Peter Dutton’s impulse to hang tough
gap with a $10 billion program to refit the navy’s six existing Collins-class submarines. A small Defence team has been assigned to look at
RAN destroyer, sub to gear up for multinational maritime warfare training
Defence Connect - 9 July 2021
The warships are set to engage in high-end maritime warfare exercises after rendezvousing with US, Japanese and South Korean vessels at ...
Sydney’s Garden Island. Royal Australian Navy destroyer HMAS Brisbane and Collins Class submarine HMAS Rankin are set to engage in high-end
Submarine silently docks in Brisbane after being spotted off the coast earlier this week
Herald Sun (Licensed by Copyright Agency) - 8 July 2021
An Australian Navy submarine has docked in Brisbane after it was spotted in the waters off the coast earlier this ...
testing. The HMAS Collins was one of the first of the six Collins Class submarines to enter service in the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) and
Naval Group Australia appoints new board directors
Australian Defence Magazine - 8 July 2021
Naval Group Australia has announced the appointments of public service executive Jane Halton, and Naval Group Executive Vice President ...
Jane Halton, and Naval Group Executive Vice President for the Australian Future Submarine Program Lilian Brayle, to its Board. Halton and
Defence chiefs finalise Sheffield Forgemasters takeover
MSN - Australia - 7 July 2021
The government is putting the finishing touches to a deal that will see one of Britain's oldest steelmakers taken into public ownership.
of the UK's nuclear submarine fleet. © PA The company plays a critical role in the supply chain of the UK's nuclear submarine fleet The MoD
Naval Group Australia appoints new board directors to support the Future Submarine Program
Defence Connect - 7 July 2021
Naval Group Australia has confirmed the appointment of two board directors to support the company’s Future Submarine Program rollout.
Group was selected by the Commonwealth as its international partner for the Future Submarine Program,” Peever noted. PROMOTED CONTENT “The
Why is Australia still investing in a balanced defence force?
The Strategist - 7 July 2021
When Prime Minister Scott Morrison compared Australia’s strategic situation to that in 1939, he was right in two respects. We have again ...
Attack-class submarines are intended for force projection ‘up threat’, working closely with the US nuclear-powered submarine force within
Hotel quarantine reviewer appointed to steady Australia’s $90 billion submarine build
The Sydney Morning Herald (Licensed by Copyright Agency) - 7 July 2021
The French company building Australia’s $90 billion fleet of new Attack Class submarines has appointed Jane Halton ...
that Australia would face a gap between the retirement of its Collins class submarines and the introduction of the Naval-built vessels
Venturaapdr Partica Online - 6 July 2021
At the moment it is difficult to write about anything else – and from a national security point of view we are all once again being the ...
on a particular vaccine, just as it was a mistake awarding the future submarine contract to a single supplier so Login to read more. View as
Submarine sighting makes for a special flight
bundabergnow - 6 July 2021
The submarine sighted off the Bundaberg coastline which sent social media into a spin yesterday has been identified as HMAS Collins from ...
was the first of the six Collins Class Submarines to enter service in the Royal Australian Navy. One of the first submarines to be totally
Defence reveal why HMAS Collins was making its way along region’s coast
Cairns Post (Licensed by Copyright Agency) - 6 July 2021
If you were out enjoying the sights of the region’s coast, there’s a good chance you may have spotted a submarine ...
THE HORIZON: A submarine has been spotted off the region's coast this morning. The Collins Class is a potent and agile submarine capable of
South Korea's Mysterious Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missile Tested From Underwater Platform: Report
The Drive - 6 July 2021
Officials remain tight-lipped, but it seems South Korea’s latest submarine could start ballistic missile tests fairly soon.
Still, exactly how large a missile these new submarines can hold remains to be understood, but future submarine designs could expand on its
HMCS Chicoutimi receives integral maintenance to Bow Sonar Array
Lookout Newspaper - 5 July 2021
on HMCS Chicoutimi’s bow sonar array. Sonars are essentially the eyes of a submarine when it is underwater, and the Bow Sonar Array is

I got bombarded from Members with Paul Greenfield and his take on Nuclear Boats for Australia.
Has its merits but doubt it will ever get kicked into touch. It also reminded me of Paul as the trimming OOW and was told to achieve a stop trim by Aussie Bob (standing in for Hodgie while he was doing his pre Harpoon briefings before RIMPAC). There was water going everywhere fwd – aft port – stbd and I was 1st Panel on watch and Noddy Shields was Donk Shop Kellick. All you could her from the Engine Room with black out curtains rigged and bright red lighting was Noddy yelled for Fuck Sake make your mind up. The crack up came when Paul ordered 5 gallons fwd ballast pump. With that Noddy filled up a bucket of water took it into the Control Room and said five gallons flooded fwd. I fell off my stool and the Control Room on watch cracked up and Paul was gobsmacked and could not get another word out.
From Buck
Managing risk in the submarine transition: the latest on the Collins life-of-type extension | The Strategist


All quiet on the Western Front this fortnight however something spotted in QLD last week:


Submarine spotted by fishermen off Queensland coast in 'amazing' encounter

ABC Wide Bay
 / By Johanna Marie
Posted Wednesday 14 Jul 2021 at 2:35pm
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Crew members were seen onboard as the submarine travelled past Double Island Point.
(Supplied: Greg Pearce)
A Queensland fisherman has been left 'amazed' after seeing a giant submarine just metres from his charter boat, as the Australian Defence Force begins its largest war-fighting exercise.

Key points:

  • Fisherman left amazed by close encounter with a submarine near Double Island Point
  • Australian submarine HMAS Collins conducting training operations off Queensland
  • Defence forces commence war games as part of Talisman Sabre 2021

Greg Pearce, owner of Double Island Point Fishing Charters, said he and his passengers were surprised to see the submarine travelling so close to shore off the state's south east coast.

"We were just having a quick fish in close (to shore) and they just cruised past," Mr Pearce said.

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The fisherman were trying to catch snapper when the submarine passed them at Double Island Point.
(Supplied: Greg Pearce)

"We could see the crew on board. They definitely had a look over to see if we were catching any fish."

Mr Pearce said the submarine was cruising towards Rainbow Beach along the surface, giving them time to take photos and videos of the encounter.

"Everyone totally forgot about fishing for a little while, and everyone sent photos to their families, friends and kids," Mr Pearce said.

Australian submarine conducting training

It appeared to be the same submarine spotted off the coast of Bargara last week, which the Australian Defence Force confirmed was HMAS Collins.

"HMAS Collins is at sea conducting local operations and training exercises off the Queensland coast," an ADF spokesperson said.

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The HMAS Collins was seen off the Bargara coast last week.
(Supplied: Bronwyn Walker)

Mr Pearce said he could not tell if it was an Australian submarine.

"It had no marks on it actually, which is something I haven't seen before," he said.

War games begin

Australia and the United States officially commence large-scale military exercises today as part of the Talisman Sabre 2021 war games.

Defence sources have told the ABC the Australian military is closely tracking a high-tech Chinese surveillance ship making its way towards Queensland and is expected to arrive in the Coral Sea on Friday.

HMAS Collins was the first of six Collins Class submarines to enter service in the Royal Australian Navy and is based at Fleet West Base in Western Australia.

Since it was commissioned in 1996, HMAS Collins has successfully conducted a range of activities throughout the region in support of Australian Defence Force exercises, operations and the government's strategic directives.

BRITISH CENTRE by Peter Smith.

    During World War Two, the Australia Comforts Fund set up the British Centre which was originally based on the second floor of MacDonnell House, 321 Pitt Street, next door to the YMCA, situated near the corner of Pitt and Bathurst Streets, Sydney.         
    The Centre was opened by the wife of the then NSW State Governor, Lady Wakehurst on Thursday, 11 January 1945. The Sydney Morning Herald reported that “the Recreation Room was painted cream with a nautical-looking rope-trim and that ice-cream was available at all times, which was most appreciated by the sailors”. Sir Samuel Walder was appointed Chairman of the Committee and the President of the Centre was Alderman R. J. Bently of the Sydney Council. 
    However, by February, with more and more Commonwealth naval ships arriving in Sydney, it was realised that larger premises were needed to satisfy the requirements of the servicemen on leave. The overflow of sailors wanting a bed was met by using the gymnasium in the YMCA next door. However, with the British Pacific Fleet in Sydney which comprised of 3 aircraft carriers HM Ships Indomitable, Indefatigable and Victorious with their escorting destroyers and other assorted ships of the Fleet Train, the British Centre had to improvise; so, on 17 February a large marquee was erected in Prince Albert Park, close to Central Railway Station, to meet the demand for beds. At 0530 each morning the sailors were wakened and given a pie, fruit and a cup of tea for breakfast so as they could be back on their ships by the end of leave at 0730. To also meet the sailors’ needs a NAAFI Fleet Canteen was opened in Goulburn Street, under the supervision of the Naval Patrol, as the city had its hotel bars closed from 1800, this closing was known as the “six o’clock swill”; the canteen was allowed to serve drinks between the hours of 1800 to 2100 seven days a week. However, with the influx of sailors, a larger canteen was required, and the three buildings that made up Number 10 Wharf, Woolloomooloo was chosen. These buildings were located along Cowper Wharf Roadway left of the current Finger Wharf towards the Art Gallery.     
    April 1945 saw the arrival of the submarine depot ship HMS Bonaventure with her load of XE midget submarines. At the end of April, the Eighth Flotilla submarine depot ship HMS Maidstone called into Sydney while on her way from Fremantle to Subic Bay in the Philippines. Also, in early April the damaged aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious left the raging battles in the China Sea and was the first ship to be docked down in the Captain Cook Graving Dock on 13 April 1945, also in April the cruiser HMCS Uganda, battleship HMS King George and the destroyer HMS Whelp arrived, this resulted in an increase of the number of beds required. Incidentally, the Executive Officer in Whelp was Lieutenant, Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark RN who later became the husband of Princess Elizabeth. On 22 May, the aircraft carrier HMS Formidable arrived in Sydney and later in the year, saw another demand for beds when the Fourth Submarine Flotilla based on the depot ship HMS Adamant along with her brood of ‘T’ Class submarines arrived, to make the dolphins (now demolished) near Admiralty House, Sydney their home until late 1946.  
    The new British Centre designed by honorary Architect John R. Brogan, was built from public donations of 65,000 pounds ($130,000) to accommodate and entertain sailors and marines of the British Commonwealth Navies in Sydney, the Volunteer Aids and nurses from the Royal Navy Hospital at Herne Bay, (now Riverwood), the RAF personnel from the aerodrome RAF Schofields at Quakers Hill and sailors at the staging camp HMS Golden Hind1 at Warwick Farm racetrack. With the imminent official opening of the Captain Cook Graving Dock at Garden Island, more sailors were arriving in Sydney along with skilled Dockyard workers to oversee the operation of the Dock, they had set up a camp at Bradford Kendall Ltd., Electrical Engineers, Gillespie Avenue, Alexandria, however they also use the facilities provided by the British Centre.
    The Centre was located in Hyde Park North, facing College Street from roughly opposite the southern end of Saint Mary’s Cathedral, running south towards Sandringham Gardens. The foundation stone was set by his Excellency the Governor of NSW, Lord Wakehurst KCMG on 22 February 1945.
    It was officially opened by the new Governor General, His Highness the Duke of Gloucester on Friday 22 June 1945. A Guard of Honour was provided by the Royal Marines and Royal Navy sailors before a crowd of over 3,000 spectators.
    Other than a low brick frontage the building was two stories high and comprised of 35,000 square feet (4,651.22 square metres) of floor space, with the rest built of weatherboard, corrugated iron, and large windows, with two imposing painted, moulded cement lions on either side of the entrance, facing the street, which were moulded by sculptor Mr. O.L. Steen. Inside was a large ‘V’ shaped recreational dance hall and a stage at the sharp end of the V. Also, downstairs was a Social Room, snack bar and soda fountain and a barber shop. Up stairs were dormitories and ablution rooms at either end of the building, there were also a reading and writing rooms and a first aid room.
    It was reported in the Telegraph that the colour of the Reading and Writing Rooms, Hospitality Lobby and Dormitories is restricted to gay blue (sky blue) and white cretonne in the curtains and quilts.  In various reports it appears the dance floor was considered to be very good. On 1 June, the bust of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill was moved from the Pitt Street Centre to the new Centre in Hyde Park. Able Seaman V. McChesney RN became the first customer in the barber shop on 26 July 1945 when he had his beard trimmed.
    Imposing statistics are that, during the war, both the original Pitt Street and Hyde Park Centres were manned by voluntary workers and the Women’s Australian National Services (WANS), the WANS formed a roster of 350 to work four shifts every 1st, 3rd, and 5th Sundays and provide hostesses for dancing. Entertainment and dances were held every night, and the music was produced by the British Centre All Girls Band. 6,000 meals were served daily, and 1,200 beds were provided each night.
    During the war many of the British sailors were invited for “up homers”, it appears that in various Sydney suburbs there were enclaves of British migrants who would post notices at the Centre inviting sailors from various English counties over for family dinners. Over 6,000 sailors were found homes for weekend leave by the Centre. Many of the women working at the Centre also invited servicemen back to meet their parents and I am sure that there was a lot of “baron strangling” among the serious servicemen who took advantage of the Australian hospitality. 
    By the middle of 1946 the Royal Navy’s Pacific Fleet, including submarines were returning to Great Britain, the need for the British Centre was waning, on the 18th, 19th and 20th of June 1946 a farewell tribute to the voluntary workers was arranged by the President and Committee, thirteen acts and the Centre’s All Girls Band performed. As the Sydney Council, owners of the land had no use for the building; it was decided to get rid of it. The Council sought expressions of interest and Mr. Sid Storey MLA put forward a proposal. On 17 November 1946 his proposal was accepted, and he purchased the building for the peppercorn sum of one pound ($2-00), and, as he was a board member, he presented the building to the Board of the Hornsby District Hospital.
     In the early months of 1947, a large group of volunteers carefully demolished each section which was numbered and then transported in large stacks to the hospital grounds and covered in tarpaulins. Here the sections of the Centre lay for several years with the lions guarding it. Without the funds to re-erect the building and with pressure from the public for a maternity centre in the district, eventually the Government made available money to the hospital board through the Hospitals’ Commission to reassemble the building. On 16 November 1956 his Excellency, General Sir John Northcott KCMC KCVO CB, the Administrator of the Commonwealth of Australia declared that the old British Centre now the “Birthing Centre” open as the Hornsby Hospital Maternity Ward.
    The front, the shape and the lions standing guard are the only reminders of what the building once was. Blue/green tiles replace the corrugated roof. After viewing the exterior and speaking to the receptionist, who is compiling the history of the building for the 50th Anniversary of the Ward’s opening in 2006, I was informed that the interior has changed immensely over the years to suit the running of the ward.     
    In 1953 a memorial garden was built on part of the site that the Centre stood on, later, 43,000 feet (15,675.12 metres) of turf was laid on the site of where the British Centre was located obliterating all vestiges that it had ever been there. Sandringham Memorial Garden, a memorial from the people of NSW in memory of King George V and King George VI was officially opened by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II on 5 February 1954.   
     A walk around Hyde Park North will show that there is no plaque or notice that the Centre had ever existed, which is a pity, for on 22 June 2021 it was the 76th anniversary of its official opening.
    Since writing this history, it has recently come to my notice that the British/Birthing Centre has been demolished to make way for stage two of the Hornsby Hospital. Since sighting the Architectural plans, I note that both lions have been restored and placed in the grounds of one of the entrances to the hospital, leaving a sample of its historical past.  At this time, I have no information on what will happen to the plaque dedicated to the opening of the Centre in Hyde Park.    
    N.B. For those who do not have the benefit of Royal Navy language, NAAFI is an acronym for Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes. “Up Homers”, any family hospitality shown to Jack when away from his own home. “Baron” a legendary source of gratuitous issue or generous hospitality. Anything free in the Navy was said to be on the Baron, rather than on the house; the process of taking advantage of a well-off civvy individual or organization is known as baron strangling.          

One of a pair of cement lions on guard at the Hornsby Hospital Maternity Ward. Circa 2005. Note the same lion in the black and white photo above. 
And now the funny side of Peter:
1. Never take a beer to a job interview.
2. Always identify people in your yard before shooting at them.
3. It's considered poor taste to take a cooler to church.
4. If you have to vacuum the bed, it is time to change the sheets.
5. Even if you're certain that you are included in the will, it is still considered tacky to drive a U-Haul to the funeral home.
 1. If drinking directly from the bottle, always hold it with your fingers covering the label.
2. Avoid throwing bones and food scraps on the floor as the restaurant may not have dogs.
 1. A centerpiece for the table should never be anything prepared by a taxidermist.
2. Do not allow the dog to eat at the table no matter how good his manners are.
1. While ears need to be cleaned regularly, this is a job that should be done in private using one's OWN truck keys.
2. Proper use of toiletries can forestall bathing for several days.
However, if you live alone, deodorant is a waste of good money.
3. Dirt and grease under the fingernails is a social no-no, as they tend to detract from a woman's jewelry and alter the taste of finger foods.
 1. Always offer to bait your date's hook, especially on the first date.
2. Be aggressive. Let her know you're interested: 'I've been wanting to go out with you since I read that stuff on the restroom wall two years ago.'
3. Establish with her parents what time she is expected back. Some will say 10:00 PM; others might say 'Monday.' If the latter is the answer, it is the man's responsibility to get her to    school on time.
4. Always have a positive comment about your date's appearance, such as, 'Ya'll sure don't sweat much for a fat gal.
 1. Livestock, usually, is a poor choice for a wedding gift.
2. Kissing the bride for more than 5 seconds may get you shot.
3. For the groom, at least, rent a tux. A leisure suit with a cummerbund and a clean bowling shirt can create too sporty an appearance.
4. Though uncomfortable, say 'yes' to socks and shoes for this special occasion.
5. It is not appropriate to tell the groom how good his wife is in the sack.
1. Dim your headlights for approaching vehicles, even if the gun is loaded, and the deer is in sight.
2. When approaching a four-way stop, the vehicle with the largest tires always has the right of way.
3. Never tow another car using panty hose and duct tape.
4. When sending your wife/girlfriend down the road with a gas can, it is impolite to ask her to bring back beer.
5. Never relieve yourself from a moving vehicle, especially when driving.
6. Do not lay rubber while traveling in a funeral procession.
1. All the DNA is the same.
2. There are no dental records.

Remember Dennis the Menace.

(Don’t blame the Author, it’s Peters column)
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From: May, Christopher On Behalf Of ATDP.COMMUNICATIONS
Sent: Tuesday, 20 July 2021 5:15 PM
Subject: Governance Changes to the Advocacy Training and Development Program (ATDP) [SEC=OFFICIAL]
Dear Colleagues
Recent news of changes to the governance of the Advocacy Training and Development Program (ATDP) was shared with the ESO Round Table, through the ATDP governance committees, on the ATDP website, and using the extensive distribution lists for the Advocacy News newsletter and the ATDP Update.
In recognition of the maturity of the ATDP and the need to place it on a sustainable footing to meet the future requirements of advocacy, the governance and management of the ATDP program will move from the current committee structure and transition to a new model, with the administration managed by DVA.  This change will expand the scope for our partner Registered Training Organisation to take on the National Training Manager responsibilities and to support the Continuing Professional Development program. The Strategic Governance Board and Capability Management Framework Group are being dissolved as part of the changes. There will be a clearer legal underpinning for this specific program as a result – an issue raised in recent reviews.
I would like to thank all of those in the veteran community who volunteer or work to provide veterans and their families the help they need. 
I especially want to thank the ESO volunteers who have chosen over the years to devote their time, energy, and experience to developing a training program for advocates and then to create the ATDP. Many of these volunteers continue to provide expert industry and training advice, and time away from their families to provide training, assessment, and development activities for current and future ESO advocates.
I have heard that some people in the ESO advocacy community are concerned that these changes will affect the advocacy services delivered by ESOs, and the role of volunteer advocates. I want to be very clear that this is not the intention. 
The changes to the management of the ATDP do not include any changes to the current ESO model of managing and delivering their volunteer and paid advocacy services. The changes are to governance and management of training and development specifically. We wish to see the ATDP’s current volunteer trainers and assessors continue to help trainee advocates achieve their qualifications for as long as suits them. 
The changes will help ATDP continue into the future and ensure that the gains made by the volunteer ATDP governance committees continue to deliver benefits for veterans and their families through ESOs’ advocacy services. ATDP’s role is still to design and make available nationally consistent training courses and development activities for ESO advocates with a focus on what veterans and their families need. 
ESOs can continue to nominate people for advocate training through ATDP.
ESOs will still provide wellbeing and compensation advocacy services at no charge to veterans and their families. ESOs established advocacy services many years ago, and this key principle has not changed. 
DVA continues to support ESOs that provide advocacy services to veterans and their families.  This support is from the training organised by the ATDP and through the BEST grant program to cover some of their costs. 
To help share this message about the change in how the ATDP is managed, and what is not affected by this change, I encourage you to forward this information to your advocate networks and anyone you think might be interested in what is happening with the ATDP.
DVA is working with stakeholders get their expert advice on transitioning to the new governance arrangements. Day-to-day delivery of advocacy should not be impacted.
If you have any further questions about these changes please contact Carly Partridge who is the DVA Executive responsible for the ATDP by writing to If you have any questions about the ATDP including training opportunities please contact
Liz Cosson - portrait 7 Liz Cosson AM CSC
Department of Veterans’ Affairs


New Minister for Veterans' Affairs and Minister for Defence Personnel

The Hon Andrew Gee MP was sworn in as the Minister for Veterans’ Affairs and Minister for Defence Personnel on 2 July 2021.

Minister Gee has held previous roles as the Assistant Minister to the Deputy Prime Minister from 25 January 2019 to 6 February 2020, and Minister for Decentralisation and Education and Minister Assisting the Minister for Trade and Investment from 6 February 2020 to 2 July 2021.
Minister Gee is the Member for Calare in New South Wales and was first elected to Federal Parliament in 2016 and re-elected in 2019. The seat encompasses a region of nearly 33,000 square kilometres west of the Blue Mountains in NSW, including the key regional centres of Bathurst and Orange.

Prior to entering federal Parliament, Mr Gee was a Member of the NSW Parliament.

Minister Gee is also the father of a young family. He studied economics and law at Sydney University and practised as a barrister in the fields of civil litigation and family law.

On behalf of the veteran community, we would like to welcome Minister Gee to the Veterans’ Affairs portfolio, and look forward to working with him to serve veterans and their families. We also acknowledge the former Minister, the Hon Darren Chester MP, for his service to the veteran community over the past 3 years.

Advice about
AstraZeneca vaccine

In mid-June, advice was provided by the experts at the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI), that the Pfizer vaccine is preferred in adults aged 59 and under.
ATAGI’s advice had previously been that the Pfizer vaccine be preferred for adults aged 49 and under, based on evidence related to the incidence of the very rare blood-clotting thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) in this age cohort. 
This updated advice is based on new evidence demonstrating a higher risk for the very rare TTS condition in the 50–59 year-old age group compared to those older than 60. 
Read the full story on the DVA website.

Indexation of rates –
1 July 2021

From 1 July 2021, the Income Free Areas and Assets Value Limits used to calculate rates of income support pensions under the Veterans’ Entitlement Act 1986 (VEA) rose.
Read the full story on the DVA website.

Services begin for
NSW Veteran Wellbeing Centre

Lead organisation RSL LifeCare opened a temporary location for a Veteran Wellbeing Centre in Nowra.

While the process of building the new Wellbeing Centre is underway, the opening of a temporary location helps provide services and support to meet the needs of veterans and their families.

RSL LifeCare, with the support of RSL NSW, are getting on with business and ensuring veterans are connected to a range of services focussed on wellbeing and community connection.

The first occupants of the temporary location will include Open Arms – Veterans & Families Counselling, RSL LifeCare Veteran Services and Veteran Sport Australia.

Read the full story on the DVA website.

Changes to MyAccount
and MyService

MyAccount will be turned off
Over the past few months, we have been increasing the services you can access on MyService.  MyService will soon be your one-stop access point for all your DVA online services.
As part of this change MyAccount will be turned off in the coming months.
MyService users will soon see DVA letters in their myGov inbox
We’re working towards having as many of our letters available digitally and being sent to your myGov inbox. This is a step forward to align with Australian Government service delivery standards. Delivery of your DVA letters is secure and myGov will automatically send you a message to let you know you have mail. You can access your mail on your preferred device wherever you have internet access.

Read the full story on the DVA website.

‘Claim travel expenses’ function improved on MyService
Improvements to MyService Claim travel expenses from 3 July:
  • Addition of a comment box in the claim process. 
  • Addition of missing Tolls information. 
  • Revised ‘New Provider’ design. 
  • Revised ‘Use Previous’ design. 
Read the full story on the DVA website.

Beware of scams

DVA is warning veterans to be cautious of potential scammers operating online. 
We would like to remind veterans and their families to be vigilant and protect themselves from any incident that may compromise their private or personal information.
Read the full story on the DVA website.

Support available for those concerned by the IGADF Afghanistan inquiry findings

Many members of the veteran and Defence community have been understandably concerned by the findings of the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force (IGADF) Afghanistan Inquiry.
If that applies to you, please remember that our focus at the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA) is to support your health and wellbeing. So, if you need mental health or medical support, we strongly encourage you to get in touch with us. DVA is not part of any investigation. Our only concern is your wellbeing.
Read the full story on the DVA website.

South Australian veterans' music group thrives

DVA Community Support staff recently visited the South Coast Veterans’ Music Group, which was established 18 months ago by Brian Thorpe – a volunteer with DVA’s Men’s Health Peer Education (MHPE) program.
The group is based in Victor Harbor about 80 kilometres south of Adelaide. It is made up of eight veterans who meet fortnightly to receive free guitar tuition from Brian, supported by one or two others who have musical experience. 
Read the full story on the DVA website.

Is your home at risk of underinsurance?

Underinsurance occurs when you have insurance that’s not quite right or does not provide enough cover for your personal circumstances, or you don’t have insurance at all. The Insurance Council of Australia (ICA) estimates that 23% of Australian households do not have building or contents insurance, meaning that about 1.8 million residential households are not protected at all. While some may underinsure their property on purpose, usually in the belief that ‘it’ll never happen to me’, for many others the shortfall is unintentional.   
Read the full story on the DVA website.

Veterans honoured at Operation Overlord ceremony

On 7 June, veterans, their families and members of the wider Australian community gathered in Canberra to honour those who served on Operation Overlord, including the Battle of Long Khanh, in the Vietnam War. The battle took place 50 years ago.
The National Commemorative Service was held at the Australian Vietnam Forces National Memorial and was organised by DVA in consultation with representatives of Vietnam veterans, including many who served on Operation Overlord.
Read the full story on the DVA website.

50th anniversary of
Operation Ivanhoe, Vietnam

DVA will hold a National Commemorative Service to mark the 50th anniversary of Operation Ivanhoe and the Battle of Nui Le at the Australian Vietnam Forces National Memorial on Anzac Parade in Canberra. The service will take place on Monday, 20 September 2021 at 10.30am and will be live broadcast nationally on ABC TV.
In September 1971, Australian forces were entering the final stages of their decade-long involvement in the Vietnam War. With elements of the Australian Task Force already returning home, enemy forces – particularly the battle-hardened 33rd North Vietnamese Army (NVA) Regiment – sought to establish themselves in Phuoc Tuy Province. 
Read the full story on the DVA website.

Commemorating the
Vietnam War with new education resources

At 21, Alastair 'Al' Gordon Bridges joined the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF). During his service in Vietnam, he flew helicopters evacuating casualties from the battlefield. Thinking back on his time in Vietnam, Al was impressed by the dedication of the Australian service personnel. A determination to look after others and get the job done are lasting memories.
Personal accounts like Al’s have been included in new educational resources we recently emailed to schools across Australia.
Read the full story on the DVA website.

New AWM sculpture to recognise the sufferings of war and service

Following three years’ work with veterans, their families, ex-service organisations and the departments of Defence and Veterans’ Affairs, a new sculpture will be placed on the grounds of the Australian War Memorial recognising the suffering caused by war and service.
The sculpture will provide a permanent place in recognition of those who have experienced and witnessed the ongoing traumas that can result from military service.
See the full story on the DVA website.

Support for veterans at risk of homelessness

As we move further into winter, cold nights on the street become harder to bear for those without a place to call home. For veterans experiencing homelessness or at risk of it, support is available. RSL LifeCare offers a range of services that can help veterans get off the streets and work towards maintaining a roof over their heads. 
Read the full story on the DVA website.

The benefits of sport

Sport can have a positive impact on the health and wellbeing of the veteran community, including during recovery and rehabilitation. It can also help veterans with their transition to civilian life as many of the qualities they have picked up while serving, such as teamwork and leadership, are qualities at the core of most sports.  
This is why Veteran Sport Australia is promoting the benefits of sport, and developing some great resources along the way.
Most recently, with the help of $59,000 in DVA funding from the Supporting Younger Veterans Grants program, it has worked with RSL NSW and Open Arms – Veterans & Families Counselling on the delivery of an online toolkit to encourage veterans' involvement in sport and to showcase the benefits of sport.

Read the full story on the DVA website

Royal Commission commences

On 8 July 2021, the Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia, His Excellency, General the Honourable David Hurley AC DSC (Retd), issued Letters Patent, which established the Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide. The Letters Patent formally appoint the Commissioners and outline the Terms of Reference for the Royal Commission. These are available for your awareness on the Royal Commission’s website.
As the Royal Commission has now commenced, the Government remains completely independent of the process and your enquiries should be forwarded to the Royal Commission directly. The Royal Commission website allows for all interested parties to subscribe to its mailing list.
Submissions can now be made to the Royal Commission website either through an online form or a paper version, which can be downloaded from the Royal Commission’s website, printed and mailed to: GPO Box 3273, Sydney NSW 2001.
If you have any issues making a submission or you would like the submission form posted to you, then you can ring the Royal Commission on 1800 329 095 between 09:00 and 19:00 AEST Monday to Friday, excluding public holidays.

Recall notice: 
Philips medical breathing support devices

Electronics manufacturer, Philips, has announced a product defect correction for a range of medical breathing support devices due to concerns about potential defects.

The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) is working with Philips to ensure the product defect correction is conducted quickly and safely.

Over the last 10 years, DVA has supplied around 1,700 clients with DVA-funded devices affected by the product defect correction. We are working with our service providers who supply these products to ensure affected clients are aware of the product defect correction and the need to register their affected devices with Philips.

Anyone who is affected by the product defect correction should speak to their treating physician, or health professional in the first instance.

DVA’s priority is the health and safety of veterans and their families and we will work closely with the TGA and our service providers to ensure affected clients continue to receive appropriate care.

Further information about the product defect correction is available on the TGA website.

Budget break-down

The focus of the 2021–22 Budget for veterans and their families is on wellbeing, suicide prevention and more funding for critical departmental services to ensure veterans and their families can continue to meaningfully contribute to our nation.

There are a range of measures in the Budget that will enable DVA to better respond to the current and future needs of the increasing number of veterans and their families engaging with the department. 

The Government is providing an additional $98.5 million to address claim waiting times over the next two years. DVA has also received funding for more than 440 additional Australian Public Service staff to bolster capability in the year ahead.

The Government will provide $62.1 million to improve long-term data capability, which will for the first time examine all aspects of an Australian Defence Force (ADF) member’s service – from enlistment to transition – and will allow both Defence and DVA to make better policies to support whole-of-life health, wellbeing and safety outcomes for current and former ADF members and their families.

The Government is also providing $138.3 million over four years to support the lifetime wellbeing of veterans and their families, by providing timely access to targeted services and support for their economic, physical and mental wellbeing.

Suicide prevention continues to be a key focus of the Government and the Prime Minister recently announced the establishment of a Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide, with $28.9 million provided to provide DVA with an improved adverse events analysis capability and resources to respond to requests from the Royal Commission and from the National Commissioner for Defence and Veteran Suicide Prevention.

The Veterans’ Affairs 2021–22 Budget package also addresses several of the Productivity Commission’s recommendations contained in the report, A Better Way to Support Veterans, either in part or in full and builds upon the Government’s interim response. This includes some measures already mentioned to support the lifetime health and wellbeing of our veterans and their families, and their transition to civilian life. The Government will finalise any outstanding matters from the Productivity Commission report as part of its response to the Royal Commission once it is finalised.
Read the full story on the DVA website.

More support for older veterans and their families in residential aged care

Older veterans and their families will receive increased support through the Budget with $246 million to improve the care delivered to veterans and their families through mainstream in-home and residential aged care.

Read the full story on the DVA website.

Support for ADF firefighters
due to start in September

As a part of the 2021–22 Budget, the Government allocated $6 million in support of Australian Defence Force (ADF) personnel who participated in fire training at Royal Australian Air Force Base Point Cook Fire Training School between 1 January 1957 and 31 December 1986. 
These personnel were potentially exposed to a range of toxic chemicals at a time when personal protective equipment standards were lower than today.  
Read the full story on the DVA website.

Medicare changes
from 1 July


From 1 July, a number of changes have been made to the Medicare Benefits Schedule (MBS). The changes are designed to better reflect contemporary clinical practice, promote high value care and cover a range of clinical areas including general and orthopaedic surgery and cardiac services.
Importantly, health providers will continue to receive a higher rebate under DVA arrangements than they receive under the MBS and are not permitted to charge co-payments to DVA clients. 
DVA clients are encouraged to continue to show their Veteran Gold and White Cards when visiting a health professional to ensure they are not charged a co-payment.
This is part of the Government’s progressive implementation of the recommendations of the MBS Review Taskforce and will flow through to DVA’s funding arrangements for medical services, which mirror the arrangements under the MBS.
These changes to the MBS will help ensure veterans receive high quality, clinically appropriate services to improve their health and wellbeing with DVA clients still able to access DVA funded health treatments, where eligible.

Changes to concession travel in Victoria and NSW

Changes to NSW and Victorian concession travel arrangements from 1 January 2022.

Victoria’s free travel voucher scheme

Victoria’s free public transport voucher program is changing. From 1 January 2022, Victorian residents will no longer receive free travel vouchers. The program has moved to an ‘opt-in’ program. Eligible DVA clients will need to register with Public Transport Victoria (PTV) to continue receiving free travel vouchers annually. 

Update on NSW War Widow/er Transport Concession Card

From 1 January 2022, you will be able to use your Veteran Gold Card to apply for a Gold Senior/Pensioner Opal card so you can travel on senior/pensioner fares in NSW at the same reduced rate. NSW War Widow/er Transport Concession Cards will no longer be issued.

Read the full story on the DVA website.

Launch of new online tool for transitioning ADF

Former Governor-General Dame Quentin Bryce AD CVO recently launched Go Beyond – a new online tool for transitioning Australian Defence Force (ADF) personnel.
Go Beyond is an evidence-informed program that is the result of six years research by the Gallipoli Medical Research Foundation (GMRF) with funding provided by RSL Queensland. Its pilot program, completed last year, was conducted by Open Arms – Veterans and Families Counselling and the veterans’ charity Mates4Mates.
Go Beyond is now available for free to all ex-serving members of the ADF.
Read the full story on the DVA website.

Men's Health Peer Education
in National Volunteer Week

May was a special month for our Men’s Health Peer Education (MHPE) volunteers as it was the month we celebrated National Volunteer Week (17–23 May 2021). 
This year, MHPE had a total of 46 volunteers receive a lapel badge, certificate and letter signed by the Repatriation Commissioner Don Spinks AM, in recognition of their commitment to the MHPE program. 
Read the full story on the DVA website.

Brothers cycle across
Australia for assistance dogs

Brothers Brian and Ian Schumacher recently completed a charity cycle across Australia in support of ACT-based organisation Integra Service Dogs Australia. Integra works with veterans and first-responders experiencing post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and is a contracted provider for the DVA Psychiatric Assistance Dog Program.
Brian and Ian left Fremantle on 1 April to begin their 4,697-kilometre cycling journey. The pair rode an average of 110 kilometres a day for 44 days before reaching their final destination, Sydney. They raised more than $130,000 from public donations and corporate support.
Read the full story on the DVA website.

Diggers and war dogs

by Suzanne Curry
Since the Second World War, our dogs have served in Korea, Borneo, Vietnam, Singapore, Somalia, Bougainville, East Timor, Solomon Island, Afghanistan, and Malaysia. They currently serve with the Combat Engineer Regiments, Army Military Police, RAAF, Special Operations Engineer Regiment, Special Air Service Regiment and the 2nd Commando Regiment.
The story of Marcus epitomises the enormous courage, unwavering loyalty and sheer hard work of our war dogs. 
Read the full story on the DVA website.

Veterans lead the way in disaster resilience

Disaster Relief Australia (DRA) is an organisation comprised predominantly of current and former members of the Australian Defence Force. DRA challenges veterans to draw on their skills and experiences to help communities impacted by natural disasters. 

Read the full story on the DVA website.

Then, now and in perpetuity

The Office of Australian War Graves (OAWG) is the Australian Government’s agent of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission (CWGC) and is responsible for maintaining war cemeteries and individual war graves within Australia, Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands. 
The OAWG is also responsible for the provision of official commemorations for eligible veterans who have died post-war and whose deaths are accepted as being linked to their war service.
Read the full story on the DVA website.

Our voices have never been more important

By Renee Wilson, CEO, Australian War Widows NSW Ltd
I want to tell you a story. 
A story of one woman who stood tall, who stood up for what she believed in, who devoted her life to service and empowering others. A woman who had a unique ability to tell it like it was, to inspire activity, unity and positive change for those in her community. A woman who, with many others, stood against gender bias and created a legacy for this generation of women to carry forward. 
I am of course speaking about Mrs Jessie Mary Vasey OBE CBE, founder of the War Widows Guild. 
Read the full story on the DVA website.


For your information. 
You can keep abreast of the daily progress of the Royal Commission by registering your email address here: here
The Royal Commission website allows for all interested parties to subscribe to their mailing list here.
Today the Prime Minister the Hon Scott Morrison MP announced that the Governor-General of Australia, His Excellency, General David Hurley AC DSC (Retd), has signed the Letters Patent, officially establishing the Royal Commission. The Letters Patent formally appoint the Commissioners and outline the Terms of Reference for the Royal Commission. These are available for your awareness at the following link
I believe this Royal Commission is our opportunity to work towards solutions to tackle the devastating issue that impacts our Defence and veteran communities. I look forward to continuing to work with you to support our veterans and their families during what may be a distressing and difficult time for many.  I am committed to ensuring we continue to support our veterans and their families as a priority.   
As the Royal Commission has now commenced the Government, Defence and DVA remain completely independent of the process and your inquiries should be forwarded to the Royal Commission directly. The Royal Commission website allows for all interested parties to subscribe to their mailing list here
Submissions can now be made to the Royal Commission website either through an online form or a paper version can be downloaded via this link and mailed to: GPO Box 3273, Sydney NSW 2001. If you have any issues making a submission or you would like the submission form posted to you then you can ring the Royal Commission on 1800 329 095 between 09:00 and 19:00 AEST Monday to Friday, excluding public holidays.  
And another:
Subject: Email from DVA
Today the Prime Minister the Hon Scott Morrison MP announced that the Governor-General of Australia, His Excellency, General David Hurley AC DSC (Retd), has signed the Letters Patent, officially establishing the Royal Commission. The Letters Patent formally appoint the Commissioners and outline the Terms of Reference for the Royal Commission. These are available for your awareness at the following link
I believe this Royal Commission is our opportunity to work towards solutions to tackle the devastating issue that impacts our Defence and veteran communities. I look forward to continuing to work with you to support our veterans and their families during what may be a distressing and difficult time for many.  I am committed to ensuring we continue to support our veterans and their families as a priority.   
As the Royal Commission has now commenced the Government, Defence and DVA remain completely independent of the process and your inquiries should be forwarded to the Royal Commission directly. The Royal Commission website allows for all interested parties to subscribe to their mailing list here
Submissions can now be made to the Royal Commission website either through an online form or a paper version can be downloaded via this link and mailed to: GPO Box 3273, Sydney NSW 2001. If you have any issues making a submission or you would like the submission form posted to you then you can ring the Royal Commission on 1800 329 095 between 09:00 and 19:00 AEST Monday to Friday, excluding public holidays.  
 Sam Morrow
15 Argyll Road
Argyll & Bute
G84 0RP
Secretary West of Scotland Submariners Association
e-mail:  Home:

On 15 Jul 71, Flag Officer Submarines, Vice Admiral Sir John Roxburgh KCB CBE DSO DSC and Bar, awarded the first submarine dolphins on Ceremonial Divisions held at HMS DOLPHIN. This event marked the recognition of the submarine services’ unique ethos and pride. To commemorate the 50th anniversary of this event and to continue to recognise this ethos, approval has been given for all qualified submariners to wear black cap covers from 15 Jul 21.
(I’m surprised the trainees weren’t brown hats to go with their PT 1 and 2 Dolphins)


First and foremost OTAMA. I had the opportunity to speak to our National Vice President and touched on the subject. An official ASAS will be promulgated in due course. We can speculate all we want but this issue is at the highest level and out of the Association hands and the powers that be will advise. Having said that and nothing to do with the Association is a petition going around in VIC to save Otama, from none other than the custodian of the vessel. Last ditch stand as far as I’m concerned and out of the 126 people that have signed up could not recognize a name that I knew? I would love to put in what Keith Hatfield had to say in an email I received but suffice to say VIC Branch is dead set against any support.
Other Submarines having troubles, forwarded from the Harbor Master of Western Port who has become an asset in providing us with information.

Maybe what Otama will look like if "Beached" by the current owner


- received an email requesting information on Otama and the have been following:
I'm actually retired Aussie submariner, LSETSM joined the Ling group after getting an invite.  
I'm totally disgusted with the way Otama has been treated and the possible outcome that is heading her way. I've been giving updates to the guys in the Ling group. If I was in Victoria I'd be volunteering but living in Perth its a bit hard.
Yours Aye
I invite you all to google USS LING Association and hit the Wikipedia section and check out the trees growing out of the old girl. Stuck in the Huckensuck river in New Jersey and after 40 years are still trying for some resolve.

Blast from the past:

G’Day Greg,
Guessing you may have picked up on the attachment.
I’ll now tell a story in relation to this:
In UK 1967 -69 to undertake my Submarine training and sea time on HMS/M Odin and then onto Oven as member of her Commissioning crew. In April 1969 I went the HMS Pembroke (Chatham) to undertake my LS CK Course. Yes to my old mates out there another Cooks Course I must have failed. However during the course two opportunities fell my way. Firstly as a class we went to London to cater for a farewell function for a retiring CDRE. Reception  was down in Churchill’s bunker. We where dressed in uniform not cooks whites for the function. During the course of the function many very senior RN Officers approached me individually, and then as a group. Firstly some didn’t realise they has Aussie Submariners serving on their boats and secondly their curiosity was my Dolphins. This again was 1969. They discussed among themselves what their (RN) Submariners had to distinguish themselves as submariners to be told it represented a sausage on a stick and worn as a cuff rate and no one wore it. Then of course what a great idea the Aussie had and why didn’t the RN go that way. Yes they did but not until 1971. Now can I say my meeting and conversation start the ball rolling for our RN colleagues - probably not but a bloody good story.  
Secondly - again during my course I had the opportunity to represent Australia in a world culinary fair & competition held that year down in Bournemouth. Not selected for any particular skill (yep again all my mates will be saying that I’d have any cookery skill) but right place right time.  My dish was trout. At the venue just happen to by an Aussie beer (Fosters I think) tent for tasting. The organisers noted my attendance at the venue and as I was in rig they asked I hang around and be the Aussie centre piece at the beer tent. At some stage was given a tap on the shoulder to get down to the competition. Consequently I didn’t come away with top marks or the trophy but apparently had a good time and messed my dish up completely to everyones amusement. Nothing to do with the gallons of beer before of course. 
John Goss
HMS/M Odin, HMAS Ovens & Onslow 1967 - 77
Currently, Manager Cerberus Museum 
Discharge pending 27 Nov 21. Entry JR 1964.
Luv the Pus
Take care Greg and keep up the good work
Still nothing from Snowy and his internment. This poxy virus has put a damper on many things. I keep asking and get the same answer.
In my conversation with Dave Strangward, I also enquired on our National President and pretty much the same answer which is when Dave knows the Community will know.

Russia shows off nuclear submarine firepower after Black Sea skirmishes

An Oscar-II class nuclear-powered submarine, Orel, was spotted entering the Great Belt Bridge in the Baltic Sea CREDIT: Royal Danish Airforce
Russia has sent three nuclear submarines to a naval parade for the first time in a "show of strength" after recent skirmishes in the Black Sea.  On Monday, a Russian Oscar-II Class nuclear-powered cruise missile submarine was spotted entering the Baltic Sea.  Two other nuclear-powered submarines were also identified, one likely to have been armed with nuclear missiles and the other an attack boat. 
A nuclear ice-breaker and several powerful surface ships are also expected to attend the event in St Petersburg, planned for July 25.  HI Sutton, a defence analyst, said the annual naval parade was a display of strength but "this is a significant amount of firepower to put on show".  "Russia has been sending nuclear submarines to the naval parade in St Petersburg for several years, but this is the first time three submarines have been sent," he told The Telegraph. "They are the only nuclear submarines in the Baltic. These deployments act as a show of strength for both home and foreign audiences. Nato and unaligned Baltic States will likely keep a careful eye on this submarine."  The inclusion of three significant submarines is likely to be in part a response to the recent incident in the Black Sea when the Royal Navy destroyer HMS Defender was confronted by Russian forces whilst transiting the internationally recognised maritime route between Ukraine and Georgia.
Russia said the passage of the British Type-45 air defence ship was a "provocation" as it passed close to Crimea, Ukrainian territory annexed illegally by Russia in 2014.  The Oscar Class submarine, designated K-266 Orel, passed under the Great Belt Bridge, which spans the entrance to the Baltic, at about 8.50am local time on Monday.  It will be joined in St Petersburg by the K-549 Knyaz Vladimir, a Borei-A Class nuclear-armed submarine and the K-157 Vepr, an Akula-Class attack boat, which passed under the Great Belt bridge at 8.30am local time on Wednesday.  The Oscar-II Class boat is a large cruise missile submarine designed during the Cold War.  Its primary mission is to attack Nato's Carrier Strike Groups, for which it is equipped with 24 P-700 Granit supersonic anti-ship missiles, designated by Nato as SS-N-19 SHIPWRECK. These missiles have a range of 340 nautical miles and can carry a 500 kiloton thermonuclear or 750kg conventional warhead.
Some Oscar-II submarines have been upgraded and may carry up to 72 smaller missiles in their place, but most are still armed with P-700.
China Was Testing Autonomous Submarine Drones Back in the 1990s
How a Swedish Sub 'Ran Rings' Around US Aircraft Carrier and Escorts 
FEW FUNNIES (The video’s and some that could be considered in poor taste and I assure you they are not) are contained at this link. Bottom line if you don’t like good old fashion Submarine humor do not click the link. Remember they are forwarded by our contributors who also keep us on depth.

Data visualization (and hilarious memes) presents: Rugby vs football in the  UK | Yellowfin BI
Should keep you going for a few hours, forgot to mention that SAA NSW Branch had their meeting at Gosford just before lockdown and photos next edition and SAA QLD holding their meeting this weekend. With the loss of Billy Clayton to the West and Nth Qld racking the cue a long meeting I suspect.

Shut and Clipped for this week

Yours Aye 
Greg Jones #6
0432 559 283
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